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  1. OK — have been messing about with this thing for about a few months now and I keep coming back, so thought I’d write something up since a mate asked me the other day. Am based in the UK, mainly stick to footie and the horses, a fiver here and there, so take it how you like.

    How I found it was genuinely pretty stupid — I never could get my head round what an e/w return actually was once you get five places instead of three. I’d just wing it and then be surprised. Now punch the numbers in before every slip, even the boring singles.

    Their single bet calculator tool is the part I open most — you drop in stake and odds and it spits out returns with no faffing, fractional or decimal, doesn’t matter. There’s also the bigger stuff — trebles returns, lucky 15s, a yankee, which is where I’d always lose track. If you want a look, it lives at smarkets calculator — free, no signup.

    One thing that really made a difference was the geekier bits. They’ve got an probability calculator which shows you how much the bookie’s taking, and there’s the kelly calculator — I run quarter kelly as the full version is a quick route to a dead bankroll. Dutching calculator is decent if I’m splitting a race.

    It’s not perfect mind. The layout is pretty plain — no flash, it’s clearly function over form. On mobile it’s usable though the lucky 63 breakdown are a squeeze. There’s nothing on the app store, just the site — slight shame but worth saying.

    So yeah. Doesn’t cost anything, no ads shoved in your face, does what it says. If you honestly adds it up in their head, have a look — saves me plenty of dumb bets I’d have regretted.

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  4. OK — been using this thing for something like six months now and it’s basically bookmarked at this point, so figured I’d write something up since a mate asked me last week. I’m based in the UK, mainly do football and horses, a fiver here and there, just so you know where I’m coming from.

    The reason I started using it was honestly a bit daft — I could never get my head round what an ew return actually was once you get five places instead of three. I used to just wing it and get a shock. These days I type the odds in first, every time, even the boring singles.

    Their single bet calculator tool is the bit I open most — you drop in stake and odds and you get returns instantly, fractions or decimals. It also handles the bigger stuff — acca and treble maths, a lucky 15, yankees, which is where I’d always lose track. Have a go yourself, it lives at calculate vig — free, no signup.

    The thing that really made a difference were the geekier tools. The probability converter which shows you how much the bookie’s taking, and there’s the kelly criterion calculator — I use half kelly since full stakes are far too aggressive. The dutching one is decent if I’m splitting a race.

    Couple of gripes. Its layout looks pretty plain — zero flash, looks like it was built by someone who cares more about maths than colours. Phone-wise it’s fine though the bigger tables make you pinch and zoom. Also there’s nothing on the app store, it’s a website and that’s it — slight shame but you asked.

    Right, that’s me. Doesn’t cost anything, not plastered in adverts, does the job. Anyone who even now does the maths on paper, have a look — it’s saved me a load of dumb bets I’d have regretted.

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